Forum:What defines a hitpoint?

I'm wondering what truly defines a hitpoint on this wiki. Basically, some of the articles say that they have a certain amount of hitpoints because that's how many Eggs it takes to defeat them. Others say that they have a certain amount of hitpoints because that's how many Forward Rolls it takes to defeat them. I think that Eggs deal half the damage Forward Rolls do; so my question is this: do Eggs deal 1 damage and Forward Rolls deal 2, or do Eggs deal 1/2 damage and Forward Rolls deal 1?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  08:05, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I have no clue. Eggs do deal much less damage than Forward Rolls, so if they're the weakest form of damage, then that deals one hitpoint of damage. I don't think there would be "half" damage, and I think it's safe to assume that the enemies use close to the same HP system as Banjo. droginator1 08:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

That really is kind of a problem. Forward Rolls are the most standard type of attack, so if we put the amount of Eggs it takes to defeat them, some people might get confused. However, it isn't totally correct to put the amount of Forward Rolls it takes to defeat them. What should we do?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  18:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ...Great. This is confusing. What can we do? We have no clue which is which. If we were to base it on Eggs, while many base it on Forward Rolls, then that wouldn't be good. But Eggs are more exact. I really have no idea what we should do. What have we been basing it off of? Hasn't Toomai been covering the HP parts of enemy pages? droginator1 21:08, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

From what I've seen, most base them on Forward Rolls, except for the ones that can only be defeated by Eggs, which are based on Eggs. So the bottom line is that Eggs are more correct, but Forward Rolls are more recognized by the average gamer (in other words, the average gamer defines hitpoints as the amount of Forward Rolls it takes to defeat something).  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:12, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

This has been discussed, but it is still kind of up in the air. Eggs, claw swipes, and rolls are all very low-damage attacks, but unfortunately the weakest attack, that being eggs, don't do just one damage. It's a problem, since while one enemy might take two eggs or two swipes to kill, another enemy might take two eggs or only one swipe. I think Toomai is expecting me to start recording how many eggs, swipes, and rolls each enemy from B-K and B-T, but I'm a bit embarrassed to admit, I haven't actually started. About the HP on the articles, ever since er realized damage and HP was more complex than we thought at first, I've been really hesitant to give enemies HP values (and in fact, haven't been), but I haven't been the only one writing articles and creating infoboxes. So yeah, all the enemy HP values (except those for bosses, of course) and pretty much useless.